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Qiana Whitted pointed me some time back to this interview with Don McGregor by Cliff Galbraith. McGregor is perhaps best known for his work on Jungle Action and Killraven, both featuring well-written, decidedly non-stereotypical Black characters pretty heavily. He also penned Sabre, which has been argued to be the first modern graphic novel, featuring a Black lead character. Part One of Galbraith's interview focuses on Amazing Adventures #31, which featured Marvel's (and, for that matter, mainstream comics') first interracial kiss.

This was in 1973, five years after Captain Kirk and Lieutenant Uhura kissed on Star Trek. But, while race relations weren't entirely taboo, 1973 was still only six years after Loving v. Virginia in which the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage. The closest modern parallel I can think of is that the first male gay kiss of primetime television was in 2001, although comics' preceded that by about five years. Here, though, the law lagged (and continues to lag) considerably behind as same-sex marriage was only ruled by the Supreme Court as constitutional -- though still at the discretion of individual states -- in 2006.

So the analogy is far from perfect, but think back to how homosexuality was perceived in the U.S. about 15-20 years ago, and you've got a reasonable approximation of how interracial couples were viewed in 1973. So it's not surprising that publisher Stan Lee was hesitant to print the thing. While he certainly wanted Marvel to be perceived as a progressive company, he also didn't want to upset more conservative readers. Or, more accurately, conservative guardians of younger readers.

And I think that's a key element here. Not that they would have offended readers, or even distributors, but a (potentially) vocal minority in a sub-section of the United States that don't actually read the comics themselves. And, it should be noted, that even when the book went to press, there was no reaction.

Kind of like how there was no reaction when DC showed two men in a post-intercourse embrace in Enigma in the early 1990s. But in both cases, the books in question weren't really "mainstream" in that their audiences were almost exclusively 20-somethings with fairly progressive leanings anyway.

Contrast that to the death threats Lynn Johnston received for having a character come out of the closet in a 1993 For Better or Worse strip. The difference here was the audience was made up of a decidedly older, more broadly conservative population with out-dated notions of who was reading the comics page. So Lee, as Marvel's publisher, was largely concerned because he was misreading his audience. Amazing Adventures wasn't a book for 10-year-olds, it was for those college students Lee had been providing graduation speeches to for the previous decade or so.

Now here's another interesting comparison. When the verdict on Loving v. Virginia was rendered, only about 20% of Americans approved of interracial marriages. That climbed to 29% by 1972, but disapproval remained stronger than approval until 1991, over two decades later. In 2010, public support for gay marriage stood at around 45% (give or take, depending on the poll), and we hit the flipping point there in late 2011; today a clear majority approve of gay marriages.

Let me lay out the direct comparison here. Four years after the Supreme Court said interracial marriages were okay, public opinion polls said 29% of Americans approved. Four years after the Supreme Court said gay marriages were okay, public opinion polls said 45% of Americans approved.

It took a quarter century for a majority of Americans to approve of interracial marriage after the Supreme Court ruling. It took six years to for a majority of Americans to approve of gay marriage after the Supreme Court ruling.

Where I'm going with this is: popular opinion is increasingly moving faster than large organizations, like publishers and the government. With the increase of speed in communications, and the ongoing de-Caucasianing of the United States, those large organizations that aren't able to keep up are going to fail their audiences. If they continue acting as if society hasn't changed in the past 10, 20, 30, 40 years, they're going to fall increasingly out of step and eventually become irrelevant as new, more agile, organizations come in to fill the holes.

Mixed race marriages -- not just couples, but marriages -- numbered over 11 million in 2015. Seventeen percent -- nearly one-fifth! -- of newlyweds are part of an interracial marriage. So where, then, are the mixed race couples in comics? Where are the gay couples? Not only are there way too few "minorities" fairly represented in comics, but there are even fewer minority couplings.

For as much progress as we've made as society in the past few decades, it would seem as if mainstream comics are falling farther and farther behind.
Here are this week's links to what I've had published recently...

Kleefeld on Comics: The Origin of Rama-Tut
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Kleefeld on Comics: New Shelf Porn
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Kleefeld on Comics: Them Days Is Gone Forever
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Kleefeld on Comics: Duran Duran's Fightin' Army
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Kleefeld on Comics: Substack Thoughts
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Over on Twitter, Mark D. White asked me what I thought about the various comics folks moving over to Substack as a platform. I did a quick answer over there, but I figured I'd try to expand on things a bit for today's post.

To catch folks up if they're unaware, Substack is a platform for creators to send digital newsletters (i.e. email). The primary difference between Substack and a "regular" distribution list is that they've got the ability to do both free and paid newsletters. Why would would anyone PAY for a newsletter? Well, Substack caters primarily to writers and journalists -- people whose value is in their ability to write -- so you're paying for (in theory) quality content and not just marketing fluff just pointing you to someplace you can buy their work in print. Earlier this year, they expanded to include comics content as well, and have signed some creators like Jonathan Hickman, Scott Snyder, and Molly Ostertag.

Conceptually, this doesn't strike me as much different than Webtoons. It's a different platform, of course (email vs. a dedicated app) but both companies offer comics in both free and paid versions, and have tried to encourage readership by drawing in some recognized talent, which they lured in by paying them in addition to whatever they made through the comics they create.

Comics via email are nothing new. And, as far as I'm concerned, they'd still be considered "webcomics" as long as what's created for/through Substack is intended for that outlet (as opposed to a print comic that was simply repurposed for Substack). The only real "innovation" (if that's the right word) is that they're monetizing the email format which was, by and large, not monetizable before. (Not in any practical capacity at scale, at any rate.)

What strikes me as the most significant difference between Substack and Webtoons is how they're being funded. Webtoons was founded and is backed by Naver Corporation. While you may not recognize their name, they are a huge corporation in South Korea and has a variety of business ventures, including a very successful search engine, messaging app, streaming video platfom, and online payment service among others. The company went public several years ago and, as such, has to disclose their financial information at least annually; last year, they did ₩5.3 trillion in revenue (about $4.5 trillion US).

By contrast, Substack is a privately held company who, as far as I can tell, has not disclosed any of their investors, nor any of their operating expenses. They claimed to have 100,000 paying subscribers in August of last year and while they're claiming 500,000 subscribers now, the "paying" descriptor is noticeably absent. If we assume a $5/month subscription, that equates to about $6 million annually as of last year, but since they only take a 10% cut of subscription fees, that only amounts to $600,000 in income for them. Even if you assume they have been able to double their paying subscribers in the past year, that still only amounts to $1.2 million. I find it hard to see how the company is profitable right now; just a handful of employees and basic maintenance costs would eat a million dollars up pretty quickly.

To be fair, most companies are NOT profitable for the first few years they're in business. Any return on investment that might be anticipated is generally several years out. But even without seeing any details, it looks to me as if Substack is still burning through their investment money: paying creators on top of the subscription fees, purchasing other start-ups, etc. While I'm admittedly not able to see their core financials, this looks to me very much like a "build a superficially great-looking business that we can sell for a ton of money before it implodes" business model.

So setting aside whatever work these comics creators do or how good it is, and setting aside questionable moral decisions like affording a platform to horrible people like Matthew Yglesias, I don't see how Substack can remain sustainable. Not long-term anyway. As soon as Substack loses whatever investors they have, they'll be forced to close up shop. While Webtoons may not be profitable either (Naver's public documents lump Webtoon's financials in with various other platforms so I can't confirm this, but last I heard Webtoons was being largely subsidized by the parent company) the overall corporate approach could make a business argument for Webtoons being a loss leader for other arms of their business. Substack, as far as I'm aware, does not have any synergies they can claim along these lines. Once the investor cash dries up, they do not have a financial means to continue.

So ultimately, I think Substack is barely a blip on the radar. Regardless of what comics come out of it and/or how good they are, they'll be largely forgotten as a publisher. The creators making money off them now? They're evidently able to retain ownership of their respective IPs, so more power to them. As long as their contracts were creator-friendly and they're getting paid, I can't find fault in what they're doing individually. But Substack as a platform will only last as long as the investors continue to prop it up, and the creators will have to take their toys elsewhere, hopefully having built enough of an audience that will be willing to come along with them!
My wife highlighted to me the Duran Duran video for "Rio" from the archives, and caught this image in the middle of it... The comic he's reading is Charlton's Fightin' Army #157, cover dated April 1982. Cover art is by Sam Glanzman. The interior stories were reprints from Army War Heroes #33-34.

The song "Rio" was released as a single in November 1982; however, the music video was shot over the course of three days in May 1982 on the island of Antigua. Which means that that issue of Fightin' Army was probably the most current one available at the time.

The Wikipedia entry for "Rio" states: "It is one of the band's most recognizable songs, mostly due to its famous music video, which is widely regarded as symbolic of 1980s glamour and excess." That is, of course, despite the appearance of one of the last comic books from a publisher that would barely survive another few years. And then, only after an infusion of cash from when DC bought the rights to most of their superhero characters.

Another oblique comic connection... when the band first started getting together in Birmingham, England, there was a popular nightclub where bands like the Sex Pistols and the Clash performed. The club was named Barbarella's named after the 1968 film, itself based off Jean-Claude Forest's comic strip that ran in V Magazine from 1962-1964. The strip was translated in English and ran in Evergreen Review from 1965-1966, which is how it came to the attention of producer Dino De Laurentiis. The film's script went through several iterations and re-writes, eventually becoming only a very loose adaptation of the original comic. One of the new characters added for the film was Dr. Durand Durand, who acted as the movie's MacGuffin. Therefore since the nightclub the band frequented was named after the movie, the band adopted the name Duran Duran after how the character's named is pronounced.
A little while back, I was digging around for information on the old Everett True comic strip and stumbled across Barnacle Press where they're housing a huge number of old comic strips. Scanned at pretty decent resolution and cleaned up (a bit) for all the world to see. Obviously, it's all public domain stuff but there's famous works like Barney Google and Katzenjammer Kids to more obscure titles like Diana Dillpickles and Soosie the Shopper (which apparently only lasted a couple months). Lots of great comics to find and enjoy there, plus they seem to update it fairly regularly.

In looking through their archives, I came across this... The brainchild of Al Posen, Them Days Is Gone Forever ran from 1922 until 1925 (sort of). The strip sounds excessively complicated on first glance, but Posen did put some restraints on himself, in theory, to make things more productive. The melody running across the top of the strip was identical every day. So he wasn't creating new music all the time; in fact, the rhythm essentially forced the wording structure of the language in each panel. And the last panel always featured one or some of the characters singing "Them days is gone forever!" There weren't any recurring characters or ongoing plotlines, though, so Posen just had to come up with short vinettes in which people compare the past to the present. Usually mournfully.

He changed the strip in April 1924 to The Jingle Belles to change things up a bit, but that didn't go over very well and he changed it back six months later. That didn't go over so well either, and it was axed completely in early 1925. Although United Feature Syndicate continued to sell it as reprints for several more years.
I've talked about how I set up my personal comics library a few times on this blog, but I haven't posted many pictures of it since I first completed it back in 2014. My collection has grown considerably since then (from 32 long boxes to 49, and I've easily more than doubled the number of graphic novels I have) and, since I just added another nine feet of shelf space and reconfigured some things to take advantage of another three, I figured it might be worth revisiting with some updated photos. Feel free to check the previous link to see what things looked like before. So here's what things look like when you walk in...

On the far right of the first shot is my desk, and directly in front of you is the middle of my collection. (I'll explain the organization more in a bit.) The yellow binders across the top are National Lampoons with manga below. Those are supposed to be free-floating shelves, but the amount of weight I've got on them is making them sag a bit precariously. You can see one of the shelves still needs to be shored up a bit.

The daybed is a custom-built piece for housing some of my long boxes. The cushions make for a fairly relaxing area -- I've even napped there more than a few times -- and being pretty much surrounded by books and comics is pretty emotionally cozy as well.

Turning to the right, here's a view of my desk...

That's where I do the bulk of my writing and research. Most of the shelves along the wall are books about comics -- histories, biographies, analyses, how-tos, etc. The shelves against the wall but in front of the desk are mostly comic strip collections, while the shelving under the desk is the tail end of my graphic novels. With the tail end of my long boxes under those.

Here's the view from behind my desk...

The facing bookshelves on the left are the start of my graphic novels. They're all in alphabetical order by title with "A" in the upper left. Once you get to the bottom of those shelves, it picks up again on those two higher shelves in the upper right of this picture. (I think that starts with "F".) Below those are my the start of my pamphlet comics in long boxes, housed in some custom shelving I had built several years ago. Same deal -- they're in alphabetical order by title, with the first issue in each box presented on the outside. (I wrote about how I did that WAY back here.) You can just about make out A1 #1 in the upper left of those shelves. As for the shelving on the far right...

That's something of a nook area. The graphic novels pick up at the very top with "K" and continue to run alphabetically to the floor. The books sitting on top of the bookshelf on the left here are oversized books that are too tall to fit on the shelves where they'd normally fall.

Here you can see those same units from the other side...

"S" is at the very top, just under the ceiling fan blades and goes down to "U" near the floor. The back side of the other shelves I have separated with some poster board and use those four inches or so of space for some toys and nerd hummels and such. The long boxes under the daybed pick up the alphabetical order from the previous long box unit, beginning with "N."

One more shot from behind my desk...

You can see a little more clearly here that most of these are overfull, with books stacked and front-facing and everything. They're all still in alphabetical order by author, and I can find stuff quickly, but it's a lot more crammed than I'd like. You can also see my microfiche reader here, and the black, shadowy area directly under that are a number of portfolios with the original art I've collected. (Minus the framed pieces you can see hanging on the walls!)

I'd love to have more space, so I could get to everything more comfortably, but I still find it amazing and incredible that I can house my entire collection in one location and I can access any of it very quickly while I'm writing. Whether it's a specific back issue or a biography or an art reference or whatever, I can get to it pretty easily and not lose my thought process while I'm writing. I've had my library up and running for nearly a decade now, and it still tickles me that I was able to set this up. My teenage self would never have thought anything like this was remotely possible!
One of the stories that really intrigued me for many years was the origin of Rama-Tut. In part because it was one of the early Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four stories, but also because, by the time I started getting into comics, it had been followed up on twice. The new stories interestingly retconned the history a bit without actually changing it, just adding to it. I really enjoyed Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers story here, and thought he handled things extremely well.

(Though I disagree with the central time travel premise of not actually being able to change the past. It suggests that we don't have free will, and everything we do is destined to happen and completely immutable. But I recognize that's just a so-far-unprovable theory, so I can accept a story with a contrary view. Provided it's done well. Which Englehart's is.)

At any rate, a few years back, I sat down and sorted out a specific panel-by-panel chronology of how all the stories and how they intersect one another. I had originally presented it to the Marvel Chronology Project, and it was used; however, it gets into a lot more detail than they generally present on their site. So I thought I'd re-present it here in its entirety, for anyone interested.

Rise of Apocalypse #2 pg. 11 p. 1 (flashback)
2958 BC - Rama-Tut crashes in ancient Egypt. He later cites that, when he captures the West Coast Avengers in 2940, he has been ruling for ten years. A minor issue here, though, is that in Rise of Apocalypse #1, there is a span of seventeen years given between Apocalypse's birth and the appearance of the Fantastic Four, AND that Rama-Tut was already instituted as Pharaoh at the time of Apocalypse's birth. Since we clearly establish in other stories that Rama-Tut had multiple reigns, I placed the original crash prior to Apocalypse's birth and am assuming that there is a period during Apocalypse's adolescence where Rama-Tut is removed from the throne temporarily. Thus, his line in West Coast Avengers #21 would refer to ten years of CONTINUOUS rule.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 11 p. 1 (flashback)
Same crash, a half-second later.

Rise of Apocalypse #2 pg. 11 p. 2-3 (flashback)
Baal finds Rama-Tut in the wreckage. Appearances by Baal, Rama-Tut.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 11 p. 2 (flashback)
Rama-Tut realizes he can't see. Appearances by Rama-Tut.

Rise of Apocalypse #2 pg. 11 p. 4 (flashback)
Rama-Tut is healed by Baal. Appearances by Baal, Rama-Tut.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 11 p. 3 (flashback)
Rama-Tut takes control using his advanced technology. Appearances by Rama-Tut.

Rise of Apocalypse #1 pg. 1-6
2957 BC - Apocalypse is born. Appearances by Apocalypse, Baal.

Rise of Apocalypse #2 pg. 12 p. 1-3 (flashback)
Rama-Tut returns to Baal's tribe, looking for Apocalypse. Appearances by Baal, Rama-Tut.

Rise of Apocalypse #1 pg. 7-23
Rama-Tut rules Egypt and recognizes Apocalypse's potential. Appearances by Apocalypse, Ozymandius, Logos, Rama-Tut, Nephri, Baal.

Rise of Apocalypse #2 pg. 1-10
Baal and Apocalypse wander around and find Rama-Tut's underground technology. Appearances by Apocalypse, Baal, Ozymandius, Nephri, Rama-Tut, Logos.

Rise of Apocalypse #2 pg. 12 p. 4 - pg. 22
Apocalypse begins to realize his power. Appearances by Apocalypse, Baal, Ozymandius, Logos, Nephri.

West Coast Avengers #20 pg. 22
2940 BC - The West Coast Avengers, trying to deal with a partially-working time machine, land in ancient Egypt only to be captured by Rama-Tut, who seems to have been expecting them. He stuns them into unconsciousness. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra, Rama-Tut.

West Coast Avengers #21 pg. 1 p. 1
West Coast Avengers #21 pg. 2 - 4
West Coast Avengers #21 pg. 10-11
West Coast Avengers #21 pg. 15 - 16 p. 4
Rama-Tut captures the West Coast Avengers and drops them in the desert to die. The priests of the Temple of Khonshu find them and bring them to the Temple. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra, Khonshu, Khonshu Priest, Rama-Tut. (Note that this is an actual appearance of Khonshu. I later cite instances of his statue which is supposed to imply his presence, without necessarily showing it literally.)

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 6-8
The Fantastic Four go back in time to find an optic nerve restorer for Alicia Masters. They fight with an army of Egyptians before being captured by Rama-Tut himself. Again, he stuns the heroes into unconsciousness. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl.

Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 1-6
Apocalypse is enslaved to help build a pyramid. Appearances by Apocalypse, Ozymandius, Isis.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 1 p. 1
The Avengers are led by a Khonshu Priest. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra, Khonshu Priest.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 3 p. 4 - pg. 6
Stephen Strange, searching for Morgana Blessing's soul, travels back in time. Searching through Rama-Tut's Sphinx, he unexpectedly encounters a barrage of automatic blasters that render him unconscious. Appearances by Dr. Strange.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 6 p. 4 - pg. 8
The West Coast Avengers run across Strange being carried away by two droids. They attack the droids, only to have more come out of the woodwork. Four new droids pick up Strange and carry him off as the Avengers battle the hordes of robots. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra, Dr. Strange, Khonshu Priest.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 8 p. 5
Strange is carried away by four robots. Appearances by Dr. Strange.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 9 p. 1
The robots carry Strange into a room. Appearances by Dr. Strange.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 9 p. 1-3
Just as the lid closes on the sarcophagus, Strange manages to release his astral form which would have trapped it inside. This scene is duplicated in West Coast Avengers #23 pg. 7 p. 4 (flashback). Appearances by Dr. Strange.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 9 p. 3-5
The Avengers arrive just after sarcophagus lid closes. They try to release Strange but, since Wonder Man can't even open the lid, they opt to let him remain in stasis while they look for the Fantastic Four. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra, Dr. Strange.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 9 p. 4 - pg. 10 p. 4
Strange wanders around in his astral form and is surprised to find Rama-Tut's throne room. Just after he enters, the guards bring forth the still-unconscious Fantastic Four. Strange scans Reed's mind to see the events leading up to their capture. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Rama-Tut, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl, Thing, Human Torch II.

Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 7 p. 1-3
Rama-Tut gloats to himself. Appearances by Rama-Tut, Logos.

West Coast Avengers #22 p. 10 p. 1-4
The Avengers continue to run through the corridors and find a room which is monitoring the throne room. As they enter, they see the Fantastic Four beginning to gain consciousness. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra, Rama-Tut, Invisible Girl, Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 9 p. 1-2
The Fantastic Four awaken and Rama-Tut makes introductions. This scene is duplicated in Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 7 p. 4 and Dr. Strange #53 pg. 10 p. 5. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl, Rama-Tut.

Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 7 p. 5 - pg. 8 p. 1
Logos questions his ruler's actions and notes that they're speaking in an unusual language. Appearances by Rama-Tut, Logos.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 9 p. 3-4
More introductions and posturing. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl, Rama-Tut.

Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 8 p. 2-4
Rama-Tut dismisses Logos, who questions what he's been witness to. Appearances by Rama-Tut, Logos.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 9 p. 5
Rama-Tut recounts his origin. This scene is duplicated in Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 8 p. 5-6. Appearances by Rama-Tut.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 11 p. 4 - pg. 12 p. 2
More recounting. This is duplicated (in somewhat mutated forms) in Dr. Strange #53 pg. 11 p. 1-2 and Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 9 - 10 p. 2. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl, Rama-Tut.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 11 p. 4 - pg. 12 p. 2
Rama-Tut dismisses the FF and has the Invisible Girl sent off to get dolled up. Strange's astral body is shocked into "unconsciousness" from an encephaloprobe on his real body. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Human Torch II, Invisible Girl, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Rama-Tut, Morgana Blessing.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 12 p. 3-5
Rama-Tut humiliates the FF. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Rama-Tut.

Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 10 pp. 3 - pg. 16
Apocalypse meets Nephri and finds out what happens to Logos. Appearances by Apocalypse, Nephri, Rama-Tut, Ozymandius, Logos, Osiris, Invisible Girl.

Rise of Apocalypse #3 pg. 17-22
Sunrise, the next day. Appearances by Apocalypse, Nephri, Ozymandius, Rama-Tut, Logos.

Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 1-14
The same morning. Apocalypse rebels against Tut and his lackeys. Appearances by Apocalypse, Rama-Tut, Oxymandius, Nephri, Logos.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 12 p. 3 - pg. 13 p. 1
Strange wakes up "over an hour later" and finds Morgana Blessing. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Morgana Blessing, Invisible Girl, Thing.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 13 p. 1-2
Susan's makeup is finished and she is escorted away. Appearances by Morgana Blessing, Invisible Girl.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 13 p. 3 - pg. 14 p. 2
Ben's big escape sequence. This sequence is duplicated in Dr. Strange #53 pg. 13 p. 2-5 and West Coast Avengers #23 pg. 7. p. 5-6 (flashback). Appearances by Thing.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 13 p. 8-9
Strange directs Ben back towards Rama-Tut's throne room. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Thing.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 14 p. 3-5
Ben barges in on Rama-Tut and Susan being entertained by Torch. This scene is duplicated in Dr. Strange #53 pg. 14 p. 1-2. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Rama-Tut, Invisible Girl.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 12 p. 5 - pg. 13
The Avengers finish off the robots and run into a room full of guards. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 15
The Thing releases Susan, who releases Torch. Johnny then attacks Rama-Tut, who flees into a secret passage. This is duplicated in Dr. Strange #53 pg. 14 p. 2-5 and West Coast Avengers #23 pg. 7 p. 7 (flashback). Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Rama-Tut, Invisible Girl.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 14 p. 1
The Avengers battle the guards. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 16 p. 1-2
Rama-Tut escapes via a secret passage. This is duplicated in West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 14 p. 2. Appearances by Rama-Tut.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 16 p. 3-6
The Fantastic Four begin to make their escape. Partially duplicated in Dr. Strange #53 pg. 15 p. 1-2. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Invisible Girl.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 15 p. 3-6
Strange directs Blessing to release his body. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Morgana Blessing.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 17
The Fantastic Four rescue Reed. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 16 p. 1-5
Rama-Tut runs into Strange and Blessing and activates some automated defense lasers. Just as Blessing and Strange leave... Appearances by Dr. Strange, Rama-Tut, Morgana Blessing.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 18 - 19 p. 2
The Fantastic Four melt their way into the heart of the Sphinx where Strange was just standing. They discover Rama-Tut on a viewscreen. This scene is duplicated, in part, in Dr. Strange #53 pg. 16 p. 6-7. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl, Rama-Tut.

Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 15
Ozymandias wanders the corridors of the Sphinx and sneaks past the Fantastic Four as they find the aforementioned viewscreen. Appearances by Ozymandius, Human Torch II.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 17
Strange uses the Eye of Agamotto on Blessing. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Morgana Blessing.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 19 p. 3 - pg. 20 p. 3
Rama-Tut unleashes more traps on the Fantastic Four. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 17 p. 4-6
The Avengers finish off the guards and try another corridor. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra.

Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 16-18
Apocalypse starts destroying Rama-Tut's technology within the Sphinx. Appearances by Apocalypse, Ozymandius.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 18 p. 1-4
The Avengers, still in the Sphinx, feel the place begin to fall apart. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra.

Rise of Apocalypse #pg. 19 p. 1
Rama-Tut's escape pod begins its launch.

Dr. Strange #53 pg. 18 p. 1-4
Strange and Blessing stand outside the Sphinx and watch. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Morgan Blessing.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 20 p. 4-6
Reed and Rama-Tut exchange taunts, as Rama-Tut launches his escape capsule. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Rama-Tut.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 18 p. 5-6
The Avengers see Rama-Tut's escape on a viewscreen. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra.

Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 19 p. 2
Egyptians outside watch Rama-Tut's escape and begin to panic.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 21 p. 1-5
The Fantastic Four find the optic nerve restorer and leave the Sphinx. This scene is duplicated in West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 19 p. 1-4 and Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 19 p. 3. Appearances by Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 19 p. 5-6
The Avengers are right behind the Fantastic Four. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 21 p. 6
The Fantastic Four run across the desert sand as the Sphinx begins to explode. This scene is duplicated in Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 19 p. 4. Appearances by Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Human Torch II, Invisible Girl.

Dr. Strange #53 pg 18 p. 5 - pg. 19 p. 4
Strange and Blessing watch the Sphinx explode and exchange goodbyes. Strange leaves. This scene is duplicated in West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 20 p. 1-4. Appearances by Dr. Strange, Morgana Blessing.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 20 p. 5-6
The Avengers leave the Sphinx. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra.

Fantastic Four #19 pg. 22 p. 1
The Fantastic Four see the time machine effect activated over their heads. This is the last scene of the original story with the Fantastic Four in ancient Egypt. This is duplicated in West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 20 p. 7. Appearances by Human Torch II, Invisible Girl, Mr. Fantastic, Thing.

West Coast Avengers #22 pg. 21 - 22 p. 1
The Avengers watch as the Fantastic Four vanish. Appearances by Hawkeye, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Tigra, Invisible Girl, Human Torch II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic.

West Coast Avengers #23 pg. 5 p. 5 - pg. 7 p. 3
West Coast Avengers #23 pg. 7 p. 8 - pg. 8 p. 6
The Avengers battle some Egyptian guards and head back to the Temple of Khonshu, where a priest tells them how all the storylines intertwine. Appearances by Iron Man, Hawkeye, Wonder Man, Tigra, Statue of Khonshu, Khonshu Priest.

Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 20
Apocalypse emerges from the now-destroyed, but still smoldering, Sphinx. Appearances by Apocalypse.

West Coast Avengers #23 pg. 17 - 19 p. 3
The Avengers are saved by Hank Pym, Firebird, and Moon Knight. Appearances by Hank Pym, Moon Knight, Firebird, Iron Man, Tigra, Wonder Man, Hawkeye, Statue of Khonshu, Khonshu Priest.

Rise of Apocalypse #4 pg. 21-22
2810 BC - Apocalypse visits an aging Nephri for the last time. Appearances by Apocalypse, Nephri.